[生活百科] [灌水] 柏拉圖之概念論

ddmama 发布于2006-7-15 20:51 5199 次浏览 144 位用户参与讨论   [复制分享主题]
星幻 发表于 2006-7-16 23:11:25 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ddmama</i>在2006-7-16 14:55:50的发言:</b><br/><p>你咁講, 叫人點應承你啊 ~~~ </p><p>人地追求精神戀愛噶啵 ~~~</p><p>&nbsp;</p></div><p></p>我既占有欲好强架````````无办法啦```````细个穷怕左啦``见到好野就想占有`
ddmama 发表于 2006-7-16 23:16:47 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>星幻</i>在2006-7-16 15:11:25的发言:</b><br/><p></p>我既占有欲好强架````````无办法啦```````细个穷怕左啦``见到好野就想占有`</div><p>好嘢 ~~~ </p><p>你唔係指我丫嘛 ? ? ? </p><p>&nbsp;</p>
星幻 发表于 2006-7-16 23:19:04 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ddmama</i>在2006-7-16 15:16:47的发言:</b><br/><p>好嘢 ~~~ </p><p>你唔係指我丫嘛 ? ? ? </p><p>&nbsp;</p></div><p></p><p>甘你话你好晤好野啦```````</p><p>其实我对事物的追求 分左阶段罗````````</p><p></p>
ddmama 发表于 2006-7-16 23:27:45 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>星幻</i>在2006-7-16 15:19:04的发言:</b><br/><p></p><p>甘你话你好晤好野啦```````</p><p>其实我对事物的追求 分左阶段罗````````</p><p></p></div><p>點樣 "好晤好野啦```````" 啊 ? ? ? </p><p>唔係好明啵 ? ? ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>咁大部份人, 都係咁噶啦 ~~~</p><p>搵唔到, 就退而求其次, 選擇 "婚姻" 囉 ~~~</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
星幻 发表于 2006-7-16 23:28:35 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ddmama</i>在2006-7-16 15:27:45的发言:</b><br/><p>點樣 "好晤好野啦```````" 啊 ? ? ? </p><p>唔係好明啵 ? ? ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>咁大部份人, 都係咁噶啦 ~~~</p><p>搵唔到, 就退而求其次, 選擇 "婚姻" 囉 ~~~</p><p>&nbsp;</p></div><p></p>你误会啦````我去打羽毛球啦`夜D翻来同你讲```````
ddmama 发表于 2006-7-16 23:34:05 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>星幻</i>在2006-7-16 15:28:35的发言:</b><br/><p></p>你误会啦````我去打羽毛球啦`夜D翻来同你讲```````</div><p></p><p>誤會啲咩啊 ? ? ?</p><p>都仲係唔明啵 ? ? ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>咁夜啲見啦 ~~~</p><p>bye bye la ~~~&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>
ikuyori 发表于 2006-7-17 02:37:14 | 显示全部楼层
<p>其实我对事物的追求 分左阶段罗````````</p><p>呢句你誤會咗ga意思</p><p>應該</p>
星幻 发表于 2006-7-17 02:47:31 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ddmama</i>在2006-7-16 15:34:05的发言:</b><br/><p></p><p>誤會啲咩啊 ? ? ?</p><p>都仲係唔明啵 ? ? ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>咁夜啲見啦 ~~~</p><p>bye bye la ~~~&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p></div><p></p><p>我晤是追求婚姻罗`````</p><p>其实我是由被动改为主动`````自己努力去争取双放达到最优化的配置甘罗``````</p><p>既然我觉得距幸福就得``何不自己创造条件令距幸福呢`````</p><p>将住角变成自己米更加好罗``````</p>
ikuyori 发表于 2006-7-17 02:58:53 | 显示全部楼层
<p>何不自己创造条件令距幸福呢`````</p><p>如果佢唔中意你</p><p>呢樣都好似一種負擔</p><p>對佢來講</p>
星幻 发表于 2006-7-17 03:34:12 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ikuyori</i>在2006-7-16 18:58:53的发言:</b><br/><p>何不自己创造条件令距幸福呢`````</p><p>如果佢唔中意你</p><p>呢樣都好似一種負擔</p><p>對佢來講</p></div><p></p><p>是啊`所以响未明白之前我会极力争取罗````真是晤适合就离开罗``</p><p></p>
ikuyori 发表于 2006-7-17 03:49:21 | 显示全部楼层
真係甘容易就可以放開咩?
xxxx_4 发表于 2006-7-17 04:56:04 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ddmama</i>在2006-7-15 12:51:56的发言:</b><br/><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">古希臘哲學家因為看見宇宙萬象變動不定,就不能肯定甚麼才是永恆真正的存在知識。因此有人建議說「水」或是「火」為一切本源。</span></p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">柏拉圖統一前人思想,先把「思想</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(concept)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">和「存在」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(Ontic)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">看成二元,看為兩個不同的世界。然後發展他的「概念論」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(Ideas)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">。「概念論」指出「觀念界」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">理性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">和「感官界」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">感性</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">的對立,這是典型的宇宙二元論。他用了一個著名的「地窖比喻」來說明「概念論」的可靠性。<br/></span></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">「在一地窖裡,光透不進來。有許多囚犯被綁在椅子上,面向一幅大牆壁。椅子後面有一矮牆,矮牆上有各類道具,矮牆後點著一支蠟燭。囚犯不能回頭看見背後的東西,天生下來只見到大牆壁上的道具影像。如有人問這些囚犯,世界上甚麼才是真實的,他們會說牆上的影像是真實的﹔問甚麼是知識,他們就會說「我記得或認識牆的一些事物就是知識」。</span></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">因此,柏氏就以人類比較地窖的人。說人一生下來就面對感官世界</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(World of senses)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">,很自然就認為這感官界的一切都是真實的。所以結論說我們所看見的東西都是看不見東西的影像。</span></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">按「概念論」,可為柏拉圖的思想做以下結論:</span></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><br/><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">一.認為肉眼所見,肉身所觸的事物不過是幻影。而這幻影世界不過是永恆世界</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">或屬靈</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">世界的抄本。<br/></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><br/><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">二.認為萬物變化不定,只有人記憶中的觀念</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(Ideas)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">才是永恆不變的。<br/></span></span></p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><br/></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">三.所有一切的觀念都在追求一個最高的目的,也就是「最高的觀念」-「善」。<br/><br/></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">四.人生下來就在追求真、善、美,而「善」居於最高峰。「善」也包涵了真與特性。人可以憑著哲學的默想,或說哲學家比較容易達到「善」</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">(</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">永恆</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;">的世界。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;"></span>&nbsp;</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-ascii-font-family: Tahoma; mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>&nbsp;<p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p><font color="#6f916f"><strong>咁我既真實同知識, 究竟係邊度呢 ~~~</strong></font></p></span></p><p><font color="#6f916f"><strong>咁我既真實同知識, 究竟係邊度呢 ~~~</strong></font></p><p></p><p><font color="#6f916f"><strong>咁我既真實同知識, 究竟係邊度呢 ~~~</strong></font></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma;"><p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>&nbsp;<p></p><br/></div><p>一切有为法,如梦幻泡影,如露亦如电,应作如是观.</p>
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